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    September 28, 2010
    11:00 - 1:00pm EDT  

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we're in the middle of breaking news here at cnn. it's happening in austin texas, on the university of texas in austin. about 8:25 gunfire at the library. we know that there is one gunman who has a self-inflicted wound that killed him. he's dead. the question is whether or not
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there's a second gunman out there. multiple shots were fired. we've heard from some witnesses who said perhaps as many as seven. as far as we know, there's just one gunman and that gunman is dead. but police are looking for or checking to see, actually, if there is a second gunman. that has placed this campus on lockdown. i want to bring in professor garcia at the university of texas. professor garcia thank you for joining us. let me start out by asking you if you heard, saw anything this morning when this took place? >> good morning. actually, no i didn't see anything. we first received word across campus via a text message alert system that the university has in place and that was approximately at 8:30 this morning. shortly thereafter we started hearing the campus sirens going off and that's the moment when we knew the campus was in lockdown. will you get a text message when the campus is no longer in
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lockdown? >> yes. the way the system is set up, we get those alerts when it begins and end internally, those we've been receiving multiple e maim streams from people within the department, people within different safety committees, so the ut committee is fairly well informed internally of what the situation is. >> and i'm going to ask you about that situation and what those internal notifications say, because, professor, as i'm sure you know, in a case like this, you could have multiple witnesses seeing the same gunman but describing him in a different way which may be the case here. it just may be the case of two witnesses have described the same person in a different way and that, indeed, this gunman was the only person involved. do you have any information from those internal communications on whether or not this thing looks like it might be over or if there is an active and urgent search for a second gunman? >> there is definitely an active
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and urgent search. in fact, the university has informed us that the campus is officially closed. all classes for the remainder of the day have been cancelled at this point. so they are urging all members of the ut community who are still on campus to remain indoors, get away from windows, turn off lights, lock all doors and to stay as safe as important, not venture anywhere in towards central campus where they believe the second suspect may be at large. >> that shelter in place order i think is what they call that. any word on where that search for a possible second gunman is going on, specifically is it at the library or extended beyond that? >> it sound to us that it's extended beyond the library. we have conflicting reports on where the individual may have fled. we have an area that's south of our campus tower, which is our main building, right now there's no way to actually determine
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where that second shooter may be, which is why now that it seemed to be very selective lockdown that was just within the pc l library area and the southern part of the campus and now extended to the entire campus. they are urging people to remain indoors that are on campus. >> 8:25 in the morning at the library. how crowd or uncrowded would that have been based on your experience? >> it can be fairly crowded. the library, of course, is a good place for the students to go to study and at the same time depending on the season where we are with exams, there can be quite a few students in there. fortunately, you know, from friends who actually work in this library, they weren't around but it sounds like most people weren't in the library, so the good news is as far as staff and numbers 0 go, we might have been able to keep a few
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people safe just because of the hour. >> also because of that alert. do you have a log of the time or a time stamp on the first alert you got from the university and if so you could tell me when that would be? >> the first one i see in my text message stream comes in at 8:43 a.m. this morning. >> 8:43. if the shooting took place and i'm not sure about the exact time at 8:25, you're talking about maybe a 10, 15 minutes or so. not bad, actually for an alert system. >> no. in fact, you know, we have been on campus since the long stream of unfortunate shootings that have been happening on campuses, ut has been very good, in my opinion, about moving forward with the safety system that's keeping folks safe and i think that everything that i've seen here, the e-mail alerts that we're getting internally, the text messages have been keeping folks safe and of course a lot of people are moving towards twitter and facebook within the
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community to keep themselves safe as well. >> interesting you mention that because the university of texas and the tower that you mention, of course, involved in a horrific shooting back in the '60s. >> that's right. >> now that search seems to be centered in that same area. professor garcia on the phone with us live from austin, texas. thank you so much. now we want to check in with -- so thank you professor garcia. if you do hear any more, professor can you get in touch with us. that would be great especially if you get the all clear text that we hope the students and the faculty at the university of texas get very soon. we want to go to rob marciano because, rob, there's breaking news and tornado warnings? >> a tornado watch posted for much of the northeast including new york city area and all of new jersey. this is out until 6:00 this evening eastern time. does include the hudson valley and parts of upstate new york
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and eastern parts of pennsylvania. so, conditions ripe here for thunderstorms that want may produce tornadoes. we did have a couple of tornado warnings that were out for parts of the delmarva, east of the potomac and chesapeake. with the heat of the day going per could late here more, storm prediction center out of norman, oklahoma issued this tornado watch until 6:00 this evening. we'll be watching for potential development as we go through the next couple of hours. as of right now no active tornado warnings. we do have, also, tropical storm or tropical depression number 16 just formed in the northwestern caribbean. that will be eyeing florida over the next couple of days and then potentially the carolinas. we'll be discussing that much more. more immediate concern is what's going on in mexico which is just east of oaxaca. this is the satellite view that shows you all the moisture that's in this area since tropical storm matthew came ashore a few days ago and just been dumping rainfall, over a foot of rain near the state and
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capital city of oaxaca. what's going on east of there, in this area, santa maria is a landslide which is covered potentially up to 1,000 people. we got 200 to 300 homes affected by this. mountainous area, very rugged terrain. some of these mountain tops 2,000, 3,000 feet high and with that heavy rain we had some land giveaway. early this morning in the last hour, i talked to a journeyist out of oaxaca and here's some of the information she geena davis. >> reporter: it happened at about 4:00 in the morning when many people were still sleeping in their homes. there's not a lot known except what the oaxaca governor said on the news station program and he said that there were between 100 and 300 people or i'm sorry homes that had been buried and up to 1,000 people trapped under the mud.
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>> give us an idea of the terrain. i assume it's rugged. are search and rescue crews able to get to the people that have been trapped by that? >> reporter: that's the tricky issue right now is that they have army, they have police, they have rescue and medical teams on the way. this is a very mountainous region with very muddy roads that's hard to get to especially after the recent rains with tropical depression matthew. >> those rains continue to come down. this is tropical depression number 16 which affects florida. we'll get you the information as we get it out of oaxaca, mexico with that landslide this morning. >> we'll continue to follow our breaking news coming to us from austin, texas. the university of texas on lockdown. one gunman inside the library has shot and killed himself. but the campus remains on lockdown because there was a search for a second gunman. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] when it comes to energy bills,
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campus at austin is on lockdown right now because this morning a gunman entered the library there. fired several shots and then killed himself. the scene should be over with but the problem is that police right now are looking for a second suspect. thus, the campus, the students, the faculty, the entire community there remains on lockdown, shelter in place was the order sent out by the school to everybody on its system. the coordinator for the university is here and cindy can you bring us up to date. any new news on the search for the second gunman or news that there's no second gunman? >> we have no new news. as you reported, the person entered the library a little after 8:00 a.m. shots were fired. he then shot himself. he is deceased. and there is a possibility of a second suspect. and the campus remains in lockdown at this time.
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>> do you have any information on what exactly took place inside that library, whether this gunman was shooting at others, shooting up in the air? >> i do not have any confirmation of what type of shooting he was doing. i do know that he was shooting the gun and shots were fired. and then he turned the gun on himself. that's all the information we can confirm. >> that's it. you don't have any idea who this person was, whether or not there was any communications going on before shooting, correct? >> not at this time. okay. so you are the communications coordinator. are you the person whose responsibility it is to send occupant these warnings, these text messages? >> i'm part of a team that handles that, yes, sir. >> so from what i understand from professor juan garcia, his firkts message came at 8:43 a.m. advising them that they need to shelter in place.
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is that correct? >> i do not have the exact time that it went out but i do know that that message did go out to the campus, yes. >> is there constant communications once these messages start continually telling students and faculty what to do or is it shelter in place and stand by for the next alert? >> shelter in place and stand by for the next alert, yes. we try to get out as much communication as we possibly can. >> i'm being asked to ask you about the gun itself. do you have any idea whether or not this gun was an ak-47, automatic or semiautomatic weapon? >> unfortunately i do not have a confirmation on that at this time. >> cindy, will police contact you as soon as they determine this is over with? will you be making the call you said you were part of a team that alerts the students. >> yes. >> what is that team? >> that team comprises of
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several different people, several leaders on campus who will get the message out in a variety of ways. we have text message, we have emails and then we also have a system on campus that has an alarm and a speaker, a loud speaker that let's anyone outside of the building get the information. >> will that also sound the all clear? >> yes. when we are ready for that to happen there will be an all clear sound. >> cindy, communications coordinator with the university of texas. very busy morning for her as she's continuing to advise the stumts, faculty and staff there about this incident that happened this morning, a gunman dead inside the campus library, the search on for a possible second gunman. we want to play some sound we heard from a student earlier. let's take a listen to this student's explanation of what was going on.
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>> cops, the guy said hey walk this way please don't come in this direction. i said wow okay what's going on. i turned on my phone. wow, kind of scary. >> what did the professor say to you when you came in? >> just that there was a gunman in pc l and that he didn't know if the police had been called or anything or what was going on, but that we should probably just like leave as soon as like we can. >> so right now the university of texas at austin campus under lockdown. students, faculty, staff everybody being told to shelter in place as police continue to search for a possible second gunman. we have live pictures now of mass group of students who are leaving. i don't know where this is from. this may be from the library, perhaps they are clearing floors of that library. we heard from professor juan garcia who said earlier the library could be very crowded at 8:25 in the morning with students inside studying.
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but we're not clear on the pictures here. obviously there's no stress involved in this. we'll be trying to figure out what's going on here with our live pictures and be back after this. sure i'd like to diversify my workforce, i just wish that all of the important information was gathered together in one place. [ printer whirs ] done. ♪ thanks. do you work here? not yet. from tax info to debunking myths, the field guide to evolving your workforce has everything you need. download it now at thinkbeyondthelabel.com.
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the library, fired several shots, turned the gun on himself. that shooter is dead. we do believe it's a man. police continue to search for a possible second suspect. while they do, the entire campus and area surrounding it is on lockdown mode. you're looking at live pictures of the police presence there. we also understand that federal agents, the atf involved in this as they continue to search the campus for a possible second suspect. we will, of course, continue to follow this as we will continue -- i'm just being told right now that what we're seeing is live pictures of an evacuation of the entire campus. >> this is definitely a safety issue. the sirens are going on. they are asking students to stay inside or stay away from campus. >> that's a live reporter from the local station kbue, one of our affiliates there in austin,
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texas. again this happened 8:25 in the morning. the library was most likely had a crowd inside. but as far as we can tell and this comes from the police there is just one fatality and that is the gunman himself who turned the gun on himself. at this moment, we can just observe from these live pictures there's no panic on the campus but police don't say they are searching for a possible second suspect. the other breaking news, this happening in mexico in the state of oaxaca where the governor there is telling cnn that as many as 1,000 people may be trapped by a mudslide. the mudslide happened, according to a local reporter who just talked to us on cnn about 4:00 in the morning, sending tons of mud over as many as 300 houses. we are working our sources to get as much information as we can on this. of course, this is the remnants
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of tropical storm that went through there, but, again, searchers are desperately trying to get to this area where as many as 1,000 people have been trapped. other news that's developing this morning, it's not breaking because we knew it was going to happen is president obama. he's going to another one of those backyard socials he's been having to talk about the number one issue, the economy. white house correspondent suzanne malveaux is on the road with the president in the backyard and it is in albuquerque, new mexico. >> reporter: drew, we've seen some of these backyard events before. an amazing day because the president will literally hit three different states in one day. we're here in albuquerque, new mexico. he'll head to madison, wisconsin and later des moines, iowa. here's the home where the family is. we've been stationed behind, across the street in a
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pasture-like setting. they were chosen by the white house to highlight the way the president's own policies are helping this particular family, andy cavalier, a disabled veteran, he lives there' home with his wife. she's been teaching for 26 years or so in the public school system. she's a guidance counselor at the local high school. they have six kids. obviously a lot of people gathering. the president will have a chance to talk to that family about their own economic concerns. their problems. and it's not surprising that we'll hear stories coming from them and some of the neighbors about how they believe the white house and obama's administration has done well by them when it comes to the economic policies. this, of course, against a backdrop of a lot of people who are not satisfied, who want to see their lives get better and mid-term elections just five weeks away. no surprise that this is happening here in new mexico, a very important governor's race, they hope that the democrats can keep that seat. there's also a big, big event that's happening later, drew,
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and that's campaign style, hoping to get the energy, the excitement back, back into the university of wisconsin, madison. i remember a couple of years ago, 2008, right before the presidential primaries more than 15,000 people crowded, lots of students, lots of young folks chantsing for obama. the reason for the trip is to try to get those young people back. get them re-engaged in the mid-term elections, a much more difficult task to do but that's certainly what the white house is hoping for today. drew? >> thanks very much. step carefully in that pasture they have you in. we'll continue to follow the moves of the president. >> we're walking gingerly. there's some house manure around. >> politics are involved. we'll see you later. we'll listen to the president's q and a when that happens. we want to get back to the university of texas. we've been trichgt the students there and on the line is randall, a professor at the
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university of texas. professor, from what i'm understanding, you say you saw this gunman, is that correct. >> i did. i was leaving the on campus hotel coming to teach my class this morning. and i thought i heard four or five gun shots to my left but i couldn't be sure. i saw students sort of scrambling along 21st street right at university boulevard right on the campus as if the last gunman. i looked to my left and, in fact, there was a man who was running with a, like a dress suit on, a dark suit with a white shirt and black tie or something similar to that, sort of a fog. but he had a ski mask on and had what appeared to be an assault rifle and had been firing shots. when i pulled up in my car, he was right in front of me and didn't stop running but turned in my direction, fired like three shots into the ground to the left of my car and kept running down 21st street towards
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the center of the campus. i immediately made u turn and reported to the university of texas police. he appeared to shoot me and others but wasn't doing so. was shooting randomly. >> do you recall, sir, or did you take note of the time? >> it was just a little bit after 8:00 a.m. somewhere between 8:00 and ten minutes after 8:00. >> the direction he was running down 21st street you said, would that be in the direction towards the library? >> yes. it was. it was in the direction -- the library is pretty close to the speedway and 21st. he was headed directly into that location when i saw him. >> dark suit on, a tie and a ski mask. fully over his face? >> fully over his face. i could see his neck. he appeared to be cause i cantion, about 6'2", in the neighborhood of 200 pounds. appeared to be youthful but it's hard to tell because he was trim
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and was running at a nice gait. randomly firing not trying to shoot students but just shooting. >> he's holding a rifle and running, which is somewhat hard to do. just from what you can recall, was he holding it one handed and firing it and when he was firing did it sound like it was on automatic or was it boom, boom, boom? >> as i sort of replayed in my mind it was probably both hands on it and it was an automatic. coming out in spurts of at least three. it appeared to be -- i don't know guns that well. but from just a casual understanding of it, it paired to be an assault rifle that had automatic capacity of some sort. spurts of three, at least. >> professor, did you notice anyone chasing him or him chasing anyone else?
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was there anybody else that you believe was involved with this man? >> no. my first thought was maybe it was a team and i looked around for somebody else immediately. couldn't see anyone else involved. saw some other students scattering and hiding and running behind trash cans. they were vulnerable to being shot and he was not pursuing them. he was not pursuing -- it appeared to me he was not trying to shoot anyone. he was running down the street, firing random shots. ing? >> right. so you first heard the shots. would you call that first set of shots four or five gun shots a burst? >> yes. it was definitely a burst. could have bean burst of three then a burst of two or three after that. at first i didn't realize it was a gunshot. then i saw the students scrambling. i thought they think it's gun shots. then i saw the gun. >> okay. >> i wasn't sure it was real until i saw the bullets strike the ground to my left.
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let me ask you about that. they struck the ground to your left and that was the second, i would say, it was a burst, you said it was three shots. was he aiming at the ground or just running and it happened to burst at that time? >> i think the latter. he was running in sort of a long gait but not a fast run and seemingly just randomly firing whan pulled up in front of him in my car i think i just got his attention and he turned without stopping in my direction just a brief moment fired three shots to my left and kept running. >> professor, based on your description it's somewhat mir ra can y -- a miracle that no one was injured. no one was injured other than this gunman that died from a self-inflicted wound. the gunman was inside the
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library at 8:25 a.m. when shots were fired in the library. does that timeline match what you saw a little after 8:00? could he have been shooting outside and then running towards the library and been in the library at 8:25? >> i think he very well could have been. he was probably in front of me around 10 minutes after 8:00. maybe more than that. i wasn't that particular with noting what time it was. in that neighborhood. he was two or three blocks away from the library where i understand he was found having committed suicide, which would have taken him four or five minutes to get there. then i under he was found on one of the floors, sixth floor. it would have taken him a few minutes to get up to the sixth floor. all that timeline fits about right. >> professor, you have been most insightful. your on the alert system? >> well, we're on sort of a lockdown here at the law school. all of our students, professors and staff have been told to stay
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in the building. there was a rumor about a possible gunman but i'm not sure that was founded. i think it may have been because some eyewitnesses reported different outfits. we're just being cautious and calming students down and stay here until we get the all clear from the university. >> okay. and you haven't got that all clear. >> no. >> sounds like a good professor. >> a few minutes ago we were told to stay inside the building. >> professor randall who is giving us a first description of the gunman. thank you. 6'2", caucasian, running down the street with an assault rifle from what it sound like it was an automatic assault rifle but we don't know that for sure, wearing a ski mask, dark suit and a black tie. we'll continue to follow this story. we'll be back right after this.
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turning into a very busy news day. we're following breaking news on the university of texas campus, a gunman started his day shooting randomly. we're told across campus. ended up in the library where he shot some more bullets and killed himself. what's happening now is the school remains on lockdown because there's a possibility of a second shooter, though we do understand from the campus police and the police there in
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austin that no one else has been injured in any of this, whether it was one shooter, two shooters, nobody else hurt or injured, just the gunman dead. we're also following breaking news with rob marciano on the weather front talk about mudslides and tornadoes. >> a lot of stuff going on in norpt america and central america. we got all this rain happening across southwestern mexico, the state of oaxaca has seen over a foot of rain in the past several days. a lot of this is caused by leftovers of tropical storm matthew. because of that there's been a landslide that we've been reporting on all morning long. we're up to 300 homes have been potentially affected if not completely buried by mud and debris, potentially as high as 900 feet in height. that has a fear of as many 1,000 people may be trapped by this mudslide. three to four hours east of
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oaxaca, the capital city of the state of oaxaca. pretty rugged terrain. some of these mountains is 3,000 feet high. rescue crews are having a hard time getting to the scene because a lot of roads getting into this area is blocked. desperate situation. not a whole ton of new information. when we get it we'll bring to it. as far as tropical weather, tropical depression 16 formed in the last hour. this could become tropical storm nicole. it will go up towards the southern tich florida and potentially into the carolinas in one way shape or form. it won't get to hurricane strength but a lot of gusty winds. the other item of immediate concern, this tornado watch hats been posted by the storm prediction center out of norman, oklahoma for the northeast including new jersey, pretty much am of new jersey, new york city and philadelphia as well. i think we might have a live shot of philadelphia and the city of brotherly love.
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looks pretty sweet. have a look. there you go. thanks for that shot. looking pretty dark and ominous. we have no tornado warnings yet but there are several severe thunderstorm warnings. doesn't look too pleasant. take cover in philadelphia. looking ugly right now. that tornado watch in effect kill 6:00 tonight. stat stuff liberty can we see here? there's central park. a rough day there. and there's the statue of liberty. you can barely make out the silhouette there in that rain shaft that must be coming down pretty good in new york city. again this tornado watch is in effect until 6:00 tonight. so when we get a tornado warning in a populated area and it looks dangerous we'll certainly bring that to you live. watching that. tropics. mexican mudslide. dangerous heat across southern california. >> not a good day to be on that
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staten island ferry. we're waiting right now, i'm looking at it, a news conference maybe about to begin on the university of texas campus. i don't know if we can show that shot. there it is there. these are school officials who came up to the microphone, turned around wasn't back, obviously trying to get the story straight, make sure they have everything ready to go. the police chief and mayor are there. as soon as they come up to the mix we'll open them up and listen in as we do. we'll be right back. ears old an, "promise me you'll quit." i had to quit. ♪ my doctor gave me a prescription for chantix, a medication i could take and still smoke, while it built up in my system. [ male announcer ] chantix is a non-nicotine pill. that stays with you all day to help you quit. in studies, 44% of chantix users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment,
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campus that entered the library this morning. the police both our police and austin police responded to it very quickly. we put people in place in the buildings and secured them. the individual who was the armed person has been confirmed to be dead. there had been no other reports of injuries or casualties on the e police have secured a perimeter and i'll let them talk more about what they are continuing to do. you hear the sirens going off. we still have people in place in the buildings until the situation is fully resolved. we have a toll free number for those who are looking for more information, the toll free number is 1-866-657-9400. i'll make one further comment.
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the ut police department and the austin police department responded extremely professionally this morning. we can be proud of them. this is a very critical incident. we're fortunate that the ut police department an austin police department and sheriff's office in a coordinated manner, which they are trained to do and they worked together tremendously. it's a partnership that worked extremely well this morning. >> let me say i appreciate everyone's patience and we're still continuing to geerm but for now i want to say that i'm very proud of the way apd has worked together with travis county, dps and the ut police department to ensure that the incident was handled without any injuries or fatalities, obviously and we're continuing to secure the situation. i'm very confident right now
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that people in the rest of the stiff austin can go forward and feel safe. again i'm very proud of what they've done here and i want to turn it over to the ut police chief. >> this morning around 8:00 we had a report of an armed person with a description of him. we sent out text messages to the student, faculty and staff. officers responded as well as austin police officers, travis county, department of public safety as we've been trained to dean work together to do. it was a good response. we're very fortunate in the fact that no one else was injured other than the lone gunman that we know of at this point. we don't have any other reports of anybody being hurt. we're working the possibility of a second suspect. we have -- trying to eliminate those possibilities. we're setting up a perimeter that will probably within the
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hour or so open up the north end of campus. we're going to try to cut it from the malls to the south and keep that as our perimeter until we can work this crime scene through. as soon as we can, we'll try to work and make sure there are no second shooters, second suspects. we work all those leeds through before we can open any of the rest of the campus. >> do we have any background history? >> nothing at this time. at this time i'll turn it over to the chief with the austin police department. >> thanks. let me just first of all i want to compliment number one the university of texas and the texas, university of texas police department. i've never seen a response as i saw this morning when i got here within minutes of this incident unfolding. the student did their part. they cleared the streets. they cleared the grounds in a very quick manner and i think it speaks volumes as what you do to
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prepare. our hats off to you. right now we have apd s.w.a.t., upd, travis county pd, and dps s.w.a.t. elements that are conducting secondary searches of the buildings and inner perimeter. we have eod explosive dogs that will search those buildings in our perimeter to eliminate any possibility of any explosive ordinances that may have been left behind by one or more suspects. it's important to emphasize what the chief just said, although there are reports of a second suspect what we're doing right now is being methodical to eliminate the second suspect. as you all know the first suspect did commit suicide in the library building earlier this morning. no shots were fired by any members of law enforcement. and we have not identified or have found any injured third parties. again, this was communicated and
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within the next hour we're hoping to open the north campus but the center perimeter will remain closed for the next several hours as we conduct our secondary searches of the building to make sure we didn't miss anything. we have two crime scenes one where the suspect is deceased and the other where some other rounds were fired that's outdoors and that will take several hours. with that i'll open it to any questions for any of us up here. >> what munitions have been recovered? >> the first weapon was an ak-47 and that's all we're going to release. >> what basis are you -- >> obviously, when you have these kinds of incidents you have reports coming in. when reports come in we have to take them seriously and that's what the law enforcement resources have done this morning is take them seriously. we owe it to these parents and students to make sure we're safe rather than sorry and that's what we're doing right now. >> what about motive? >> we don't have any motives at this time.
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whup have a situation like this you're going to get multiple descriptions and that's what we have to check out for the second shooter. we did get multiple descriptions and we have to make sure that we didn't have other people with him. we do not feel like they were but we have to check out every lead that we get or every call we get with other descriptions. >> do we know whether the shooter was a student or not. >> we don't. >> were your describing the second person as a shooter? >> the person who is deceased he wearing all-black? was he wearing all-black and ski mask? >> that's what i'm aware of at this point. i've not seen him. that's what i'm ware of. >> your describing the second person? >> i can't tell you that. we have crime scene investigations going on. we'll have to wait to get the results of the crime scene investigation. >> father and mother was texting someone who had sprained their
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ankle in the basement of one of the buildings snipe heard the same thing. that could have happened. somebody may have sprained ankle. no one has been injured by gunfire. >> would you describe the second person as a gunman or a suspect? >> suspect at this time. >> was he seen with a gun? >> any information that this person that people talk about that went down 21st and into the library -- >> we believe it is at this time. i can not totally confirm that. we believe it is from the description. >> do you know where he lives? >> we don't know the information on the gunman at this time. >> any identification on his body? >> we won't talk about the investigation. >> did you find a second gun? >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> that's the news conference wrapping up at the university of texas. you heard that was the ut police chief talking about the single suspect dead. according to the chief it was his understanding the suspect was wearing all-black.
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that matches a description given to us by an eyewitness dressed in all-black carrying a rifle which the chief says was an ak-47 running down the street towards the library shooting. we'll have more of this right after this break.
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we've been following breaking news this morning. university of texas at austin remains under lockdown. we just did hear from a news conference from the university
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of texas police chief, the austin police chief and mayor of austin, which in body language, at least, seems to indicate that this may be over. a single gunman shot and killed himself in the library. there has been and ongoing search for a possible second gunman or a second suspect i should say, and that's why the campus is close today and will remain under lockdown until the police can basically clear off that campus one chunk at a time, but the descriptions that the police just gave us leave the door open for possibly witnesses describing the same person in two different ways. nobody else on that campus was hurt. which is amazing when you listen to the description woe got just a little while ago from an eyewitness, professor randall wilhite, who saw a ski masked wearing gunman running down the street with what we now know is an ak-47, and firing.
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let's take a listen. >> so you first heard the shots. would you call that first set of shots, four or five gunshots a burst? >> definitely a burst. a burst of two or three after that. at first i didn't realize it was a gunshot. then i saw students scramble and thought, they think it's gunshots and then i saw the guy. i wasn't sure it was real until i saw the bullets strike the ground to my left. >> let me ask you about that. they struck the ground to your left. that was the second, burst, you said three shot, aiming at the ground, aiming and it happened to burst? >> i think the latter. running in sort of a long gait, but not fast. when i pulled up in front of him with my car, i got his attention. he turned without stopping in my direction just a brief moment,
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fired three shots to my left and kept running. >> professor, based on your description, it's somewhat miraculous no one on campus was injured, but we did just get news as i was talking to you from the school and from the police that no injuries have been report, other than this gunman who apparently died of a self-inflicted wound, and i'm trying to put together the timetable, because from what we understand, the gunman was inside the library at 8:25 a.m. when shots were fired in the library. does that timeline match what you saw a little after:00? could he have been shooting outside and then running towards the library and then in the library at 8:25? >> i think he very well could have been. he was probably in front of me around ten minutes after the 8:00. maybe a little more than that. i wasn't noting the time. he was two or three blocks away
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from the library where i understand he was found having committed suicide, which would have -- >> and police saying that that very scenario is what they believe took place. that that man did run towards that library and shoot himself inside. we're following another case, too. testimony resuming this morning in the triple murder trial of stephen hayes, one of the two men accused of invading a home of a connecticut doctor. you may remember the chilling 911 tapes we've been listening to the last several weeks. the doctor's wife was killed. two daughters killed. the home set on fire, only he made it out alive. legal contributor sunny hostin from "in session" our sister network true-tv joining us from new york. prosecution is wrapping up the case. did they make their case? >> you know, i think that they certainly made their case. evidence is really overwhelming against this particular defendant, stephen hayes. today we heard the final testimony from the fire investigator, and he just got
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off the witness stand, actually. the lawyers are back in the courtroom, and we believe that the defense may present some evidence. brief evidence. in defense of mr. hayes, but i will say the burden is always on the prosecution, drew, to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. everyone watching the trial i have been in new haven, connecticut, watching the trial will tell you the evidence against this defendant is overwhelming. >> you said there may be some kind of defense presented. do you have any knowledge of what that defense, what the tactic will be? >> we are -- i'm sure at this point, the judge presiding over this case just indicate add few moments ago that the defense will be presenting some evidence. it may be brief evidence, and so we're unclear yet as to which witnesses they will be presenting, but we do know that they will be presenting some sort of case in his defense. >> i've talked to so many people
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about this, sunny, that this case has just grabbed their attention, and what they say to a person if they've been following it, is i hope they get the death penalty. if stephen hayes is convicted, is the death penalty a possibility? >> it really is a possibility. and i will say, you know, connecticut does have the death penalty, but it is rarely, rarely enforced. the last time it was enforced was about five or six years ago, and that was a serial rapist and murderer who almost begged to be given the death penalty before that it was 50 years since connecticut had a death penalty case. but in connecticut, the feeling is overwhelming that they want, the citizens of connecticut, really want the death penalty for this case. i spoke to several people, drew, in connecticut, and without exception, they all said, if there is a death penalty, on the books, what better case for that. what other case would fit the cruel, atrocious than this particular case? so, yes. i do believe that that is a
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possibility. the judge has indicated that the death penalty phase should this defendant be convicted may last approximately one month. so a lot of, a lot of in evidence a death penalty case. >> all right. sunny hostin, "in session" true-tv, thanks for keeping us up positive speed. we'll look for what happens today in this case and be back after a break. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. lord of the carry-on. sovereign of the security line. you never take an upgrade for granted. and you rent from national.
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at the top of the hour we continue to follow news from austin, texas, where the university of texas remains on lockdown. witnesses say one gunman ran towards the campus library firing shots from an ak-47. this person later shot and killed hills. they're working to eliminate the possibility of a second gunman. >> right now we have apd, upd, travis county and dps squad elements conducting secondary severance of the building and inner perimeter and eod explosive dogs that are going to be searching those buildings inner printer to eliminate any possibility of any explosive ordnances left behind by one or more suspects and i think it's
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important to emphasize what the chief just said that although there are reports of a second suspect what we're doing right now is being methodical to eliminate the second suspect. >> last hour i spoke with a professor who saw the shooter heading towards the library. >> i was leaving the on-campus hotel coming to teach my class this morning, and i thought i heard four or five gunshots to my left, but i couldn't be sure. i saw a student sort of scrambling along 21st street right at university boulevard on the campus, as if there was a gunman, and then i looked to my left, and, in fact, there was a man who was running with a, like a dress suit on a dark suit, a white shirt and black tie or something similar to that. it's sort of a fog, but he also had a ski mask on and what appeared to be an assault rifle and had been firing shots and when i pulled up in my car, right in front of me, and didn't stop running but turns in my
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direction, fired like three shots into the ground to the left of my car, and kept running down 21st street towards the center of the campus. i immediately made a u-turn and went back and reported it to the university of texas police, but he appeared to be able to shoot me and others, but wasn't choosing to do so. >> the good news here, police say no one else that they know of has been hurt. so far no second gunman has been found. the mayor of austin saying people in the city should feel safe to go about their daily routines but the campus remains on lockdown. president obama, hedded to the typical american family to talk about the economy. in albuquerque, new mexico right now, hitting several states doing these backyard meetings and cnn's suzanne malveaux one of the outstanding reporters in the field of politics is standing in the field. >> reporter: hey, standing in kind of a pasture, actually.
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in a pasture, a horse pasture right across from the home where he's going to be visiting. the president just arrived a couple minutes ago. meeting privately with a family. this is the kind of thing, drew you know they work with local official, the white house, to identify a family that really illustrates the ways that the administration's policies are working for them. they've identified the cavalier family. andy cavalier a veteran, a disabled veteran. the wife, etta, has been teaching in the school system for 36 years. a counselor at the high school. they have six kids. we're going to hear their story how the administration has done a good job when it comes to education, taking care of veterans in helping out their family. there are about 30 or so that are gathered in, outside, just outside the house for this little kind of town hall we have come to recognize and see. it's all a part white house officials say, of the president trying to say he's in touch with the american people. he understands. he gets the situation and the crisis that people are feeling. this is the first of three
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states, drew. we're going to cover three states in one day. second stop is going to be the university of wisconsin at madison, where it's going to be a dramatically different scene. we are expecting, perhaps what we saw two years ago during the campaign a week before the presidential primary back in 2008. 15,000 people gathered at this university setting. obviously, the president is going to be trying to get the energy, the juice, that he had once before to get young people out to vote for mid-term elections, just five weeks away. they need a push. they need a surge. that's what they're trying to do, to get those folks to come out. minorities, young vote come out in five weeks or so to try to support the candidates. really important races for the democrats. not only in new mexico, but also in wisconsin. third stop, drew, iowa, where he'll hold, again, one of these backyard discussions about tomorrow morning or so. drew? >> suzanne, all of that carefully scripted, of course.
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not so scripted, this drama about the white house chief of staff rahm emanuel. is he or not going to run for mayor? what can you tell us? when will he leave the white house? >> reporter: a lot of palace intrigue. we are confident, multiple sources telling cnn he does plan to run for the mayor of chicago. that it's very likely. he could make that announcement as early as friday. we even saw the president yesterday kind of giving him a public nudge if you're going it decide, decide quickly. that's days away. right around the corner. the deputy chief of staff, we expect peter rowes will step in as interim chief of staff. rahm emanuel, nickname rahmbo is irreplaceable. we'll have to see. >> thanks. an american soldier in custody in iraq, special iist
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naftali accused in shooting john carrillo and noonan. the shootings took place last thursday. >> i went down not to get killed in combat, but to get killed in his own barracks was just a shame. >> his big hair matched his big personality. he loved experiencing life and it was great. >> chris lawrence is our pentagon correspondent. now at the pentagon. chris, can you shed any light on this? >> well, drew, we now learned there were actually four soldiers involved, and at some point they got into a heated argument. we don't know what the argument was about but at one point just verbal, not physical, and then specialist latero pulled out his gun and started shooting. the two soldiers you just
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mentioned were killed and a third soldier wounded. we're told he's going to recover. so at some point there will be a soldier who can come forward and sort of describe exactly what happened. here's the thing. the army sent condolences to those two soldiers' families saying they were saddened by the tragic events, but specialist carrillo, his mother says when the army team came to her house at 1:00 in the morning last friday to notify her her son was dead, they never mentioned how he was killed. she says it wasn't until the following monday that she figured out that it was friendly fire. she says, they never mentioned it. she says, "it was very devastating to find out that my son was killed or shot by a fellow soldier is unbelievable." "the military should be embarrassed." we have calls out to the army to find out exactly how this happened or what may have gone wrong in that notification process. drew? >> all right, chris. we'll look for your updated news later on in the day.
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terrible story, no matter how you look tat. thanks so much. chris lawrence at the pentagon. we're going back, i believe, to albuquerque, new mexico. is that right, guys? where the president is in the backyard of a home. he's shaking hands. this is one of his backyard events that he has been holding. trying to show, we're told, by suzanne malveaux that he is in touch with the average america. there's a couple of average american there's shaking his hands, and one of those saluting. right back after this.
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president obama speaking live to a group in albuquerque, new mexico. the backyard of the cavalier family. let's listen in. >> thank you so much for being here. we've been trying to do more of these, a, just to get me out of the house. it's a very nice house that they provide for me in washington, but at times, you do feel like you're in the bubble. so every once in a while i need to just get out of there and have a chance to talk to folks and listen to them and answer questions, but also get suggestions and advice about what's happening in the country. and so instead of doing all the talking what i want to do is maybe just provide a few opening remarks and basically have a conversation with you about things that are important to you and important to this community,
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important to this state. there is one thing i want to focus on, though. if you don't mind in my opening remarks and that's the issue of education. we have gone through, obviously, the toughest economic situation since the great depression. and no state has been untouched. no group of people has been untouched by the devastation. we lost 8 million jobs. the financial sector almost completely melted down. we almost slipped into a great depression, and so we acted very quickly to try to stop the bleeding. and we've had some success, an economy that was shrinking. was contracting by 6% when i was sworn in. it's now growing again. we were losing 750,000 job as month when i was sworn in. we've had eight consecutive months of private sector job growth. so we're making progress and
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we're moving in the right direction, but in addition to the immediate crisis that we're dealing with, one of the challenges that i think everybody around the country when i talk to them recognizes is, we've got to have a long-term plan for how we make sure america remains the number one economy in the world and how we make sure that we still have opportunities for middle-class americans to prosper and to expand. to be able to support their families and send their kids to college, and retire with dignity and respect. and how do we provide ladders for people who aren't yet in the middle class to be able to get into the middle class? how do we help small businesses grow? how do we help make sure our large businesses are the innovators designing new products we're able to sell overseas? you know, the issue of how we stay competitive and are able to succeed in the next generation the same way the previous generations have succeeded,
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that's a question that i think a lot of people have been asking themselves for a long time. because keep in mind, even before this financial crisis, we were slipping in a lot of ways. from 2001 to 2009, during that eight-year period, wages, average wages for middle-class families actually fell by 5%. think about that. people's real incomes were actually falling, and this was at a time before the crisis. so supposedly the economy was growing and things were going pretty well. in fact, people's incomes were falling. during that same period of time, job growth was the most sluggish that it's been since world war ii. so part of the reason i decided to run for president was because we had all of these problems that we hadn't been dealing with for a long time. even before the crisis hit that we had to deal with. if we want to stay competitive
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for the 21st century, and the number one issue in terms of us succeeding as an economy, is going to be how well we educate and how well we train our kids. nothing else comes close. now, the truth of the matter is, we used to have, by far, the best education system in the world. we the first nation in the world to have compulsory public education. and so as people were moving off the farms, moving into the cities, moving into industry, suddenly they were able to get the training and the skills they needed for an advanced industrial economy. and we had the best universities in the world and the best colleges in the world, and we had the number one -- we ranked number one in the proportion of college graduates in the world. we now rank 12th. and that's just happened in a generation. we went from number one to number 12 in the number of
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college graduates we have. even folk whose didn't go to college still got a good education. my grandmother, you know, she -- she was an amazing woman. she passed away a couple of years ago. but she never went to college. she -- she worked while my grandfather went off to world war ii, she worked on an assembly line making bombers. she was like rosy the riveter, and then when my grandfather came back, he got the g.i. bill to go to college, but she didn't get the g.i. bill so she went to work, started as a secretary and ended up as a vice president at a bank in hawaii. and despite the fact she hadn't gone to college she was so well prepared in terms of math, reading and skills, that she could end up getting an executive position, working her way up from being a secretary. well, now we rank 21st in
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science education in the world. and we rank 25th in math education in the world. so the trend line is that we're not at the top in terms of college graduates. we're not in the top of science. not in the top at math. we've got one-third of our students who enroll who never graduate from high school, and all this means that not only is it bad for the young people who aren't getting this education. typically a high school grad gets paid about $10,000 less than a college grad, and over the course of a lifetime it means hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost income. but it's also bad for the country as a whole, because we don't have as many engineers. we don't have as many scientists we're not inventing the new products that are going to make all the difference in terms of how well we succeed. so the reason i wanted to raise this is because there are a lot
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of issues we've been working on in washington. a lot of them get a lot of attention. but something that hasn't gotten as much attention a what we've been trying to do, working with states and local school districts over the last two years to make sure we're moving in a flu direction in improving our education system. a couple things we've done. first of all, we set up something called "race to the top." what we said was, that if states wanted to get some additional money, some extra money to help their schools, they would have to compete for that money by showing us what it is that you're doing reform the school system so you get excellent teachers, you have high standards, the schools are accountable? that you're going after the lowest performing schools and not just sort of skimming off the top. and as a consequence of this competition called "race to the top" we had about $4 billion,
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we've ended up seeing 32 states change their laws to reform the system so that the whole education structure works better for our kids, and makes it more account, and we start providing better training and recruitment for teachers and more development and resources. a big boost for education all across the country. moving forward on a reform agenda that doesn't just dictate to states you know, here's how you have to do everything, but it says, here's criteria-for-success. if you have a plan to match that, then we're going to help you. so that's -- >> that's president obama in the backyard of a home that was picked out by white house for him to visit in albuquerque, new mexico. as he said, he tries to get out of the white house and see what the real folks are doing. how real folks in this country are living and surviving through these times. the president mixing in a little politics there as he tries to remind the people seated in that backyard and i guess the rest of us that we were in hard times before his administration took
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over. trying to remind them how hard those times were and that his plan will get us out. the president's tour continues later today he's actually going to wisconsin for a campaign rally on some friendly turf. the university of wisconsin at madison. where he had some memorable events during this 2008 election run-up. and then later in the week he will go to virginia and iowa. all part of the president's plan to reach out to the american people and get out of that white house bubble that he admits he lives in at some times. we'll be right back. [ woman ] alright, so this tylenol 8 hour lasts 8 hours.
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but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve was proven to work better on pain than tylenol 8 hour. so why am i still thinking about this? how are you? good, how are you? [ male announcer ] aleve. proven better on pain. top stories now. police say a man in a ski mask opened fire with an ak-47 today.
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it happened at university of texas library in austin. nobody hurt except the gunman who killed himself. police going building to building now to eliminate any possibility of a second gunman, but it does look like that is over with. israel has intercept add small aid boat off the gaza coast. the navy re-routed the yacht "ire "irene" to an israeli port. said to be carrying toys, books and linens for children. prosthetics for children. it was gaza under a naval blockade to keep weapons from militants in gaza. toys "r" us plans to double its work force for the upcoming holiday season. the retail chain is hiring 45,000 temporary employees. 10,000 more than last year. experts who follow this say the move may signal optimism about the recovery. going out, we don't eat as
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much. you go a strunt, they serve too much portion. you don't have to finish it. >> good advice as cnn is taking a crosscountry food journey this week. we sent reporting teams to every corner of america and beyond. our mission, get fresh answers how our food is grown. how the choices we make impact our health, state of mind, our budgets. the pure joy of eating. we've teamed up with a new cnn.com food destination, etocracy.com to bring you eto the crazy, mind, body, wallet. you hear all the time you are what you eat. it's possible your choice of diet could harm you. so what's healthful and what is not? marin nestle joining me from new york. remember her from the eye-opening "supersize me" and author of book "safe food." thanks for joining us. >> pleasure to be here. >> yeah. it's so simple to eat well. just eat well.
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eat fresh food and eat smaller portions. but we don't seem to do that. right? i mean, that's basically it. there's no secret to this. >> sure. my advice is eat less, move more, eat plenty of fruits and vegetables and not too much junk food. nothing could be easier, but our entire food system is set up to get us to do exactly the opposite. and mainly it's set up to sell more food. and to get us to eat as much as we possibly can, as many times a day as we possibly can, and then the largest portions that we possibly can. no wonder we're all gaining weight. >> so what is the solution to this? empower the consumer? or use the power of the government to crack down on the food industry? >> well, you have to do both. people have to understand. if i had one thing i could teach, it would be that larger portions have more calories. let me tell you, it's not intuitively obvious. everybody eats more if there's a
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lot of food in front of them. so that's one thing. on the other hand, we really do need to change policy to make our food environment -- to make it easier for us to make healthy choices. so that healthy choices become the default. and, of course, those healthy choices have to taste good, or we won't eat them. >> yeah. this is where this come into a little bit of a controversy, because, you know, aren't the choices already out there, and if the american public really wanted to buy fruits and vegetables instead of chips and french fries, they would do it. >> well, i wish it were that simple, but it's really more complicated than that. for one thing, the government subsidizes certain kinds of foods and not others. it subsidizes corn and soybeans, which are the inglee yents in processed foods, and that's one of the reasons why potato chips can be sold so cheaply. it doesn't make fresh fruits and vegetables readily available.
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those aren't subsidized and lots of people perceive them as expensive, and that's because they are expensive. the relative cost of fresh fruits and vegetables has gone up by 40% since 1980. whereas, the cost of soft drinks and processed foods has gone down by almost as much. that's a big factor in people's food choices. >> marin nestle what are you having for lunch today? >> something really good, i hope. >> thanks for joining us. remember to go to cnn.com/etocracy for more stories on healthy eating and where you can learn more about how to unlock the cnn healthy eater badge on four square. the president's right-hand man may be leaving the white house. rahm emanuel setting his sights on the top job in his home town, and mine. chicago. i'll talk to the washington bureau cleef for the "chicago sun-times." pictures, inform
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you won't see anywhere else. anything can happen. one of president obama's closest advisers ready to trade his post for a post in his hometown. sources telling us the u.s.
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chief of staff, rahm emanuel, is going to announce he'll run for the mayor of chicago. really could happen anytime. lynne sweet, washington bureau chief with the "chicago sun-times" columnist for "politics daily dotcom" joins us from washington. breaking news, will this happen for sure and will you tell us when? >> well, people think that it could be as soon as friday. people close to rahm emanuel keep say, you know, his decision isn't made 100%. they still want to have wiggle room, but all signs point to him running for mayor of chicago and running pretty soon. >> yeah. and, lynne, it almost sounds like an anointment. he still has to run in chicago. right? >> well, let me correct that. there's no a perception in slick that she by any means anointsed and that is part of the national disconnect in the conversation about rahm emanuel. one thing that emanuel is is politically savvy. he knows he fleeds to get home
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if he wants to run because no one anointed him anything. with all respect, he knows this is a competitive race. there are big local names that probably aren't as prominent on a national basis as rahm emmanuel is because he works in the white house, but, you know, no one -- people in chicago actually are focusing more on how rahm can get a coalition together to win the primary than the opposite. he will have to earn this, just like everybody else in the race. >> yeah. and he was a congressman from chicago, but that was a very small demographic chunk of a specific kind of chicago. right? because you have-doctor. >> well, yes, but -- >> you have upper north side. you've got hispanics, blacks, all of these contingencies you have to put together. >> right. he needs to build a coalition as whoever is going to be successful to get into the runoff. no one expects to get 50% more in february and avoid it.
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in a runoff, but the point is, that rahm has to go back and re-create a base. one of the big helps he got to even win that house race a few years ago when he first became a representative was that mayor daley had a pat tronage army that doesn't exist anymore to help him and mayor detailsy not anointing a successor. rahm was a saunch and is a staunch daly loyalist but so are others running in the race. so that's the puzzle for rahm and, by the way, other candidates. figure out in chicago which has tribal politics, crosstown rivalries, west side, south side, north side, southwest side, you know, slice and dice ethnic groups, and everyone's figuring out where they can get their groups of supporters to survive the primary to get into the runoff. >> yeah. i want to bring up something that's maybe somewhat distasteful, lynne, but is certainly a potential
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undercurrent. at least from the people i'm talking to in chicago. the fact rahm emanuel is jewish. will that play any role in a town that has had a black mayor, has had an irish mayor a woman mayor, but i can't recall chicago ever electing a jewish mayor. >> i don't know why you call it distasteful, because we are talking about ethnic politics. rahm is a very proud self-identified practicing jew. by the way, there are many jews in chicago. so here's the issue, though -- the jewish vote in chicago when it comes to the mayoral race is not necessarily monolithic. if you like president obama policy on the mideast and israel that will help, one of the first natural bases that rahm is going to go to. so everyone who is running for mayor is looking at their ethnic group to give them a running start. you know, there's some prominent hispanic candidates looking to the pockets of communities where
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they are. so this is the real politics of chicago we're talking about where people wear their ethnic badges with pride to give them a running start. a little trickier, though, because if rahm comes in, people will evaluate i believe in the jewish community if he like the obama mideast policy and there's a segment that will. on the other hand, there's probably a segment that won't, but at least it does give him a bit of a base because there's an enormous jewish population in chicago, but he has to -- he'll get a running start from some, not all of it. >> lynne sweet, thanks, and we should probably both thank rahm emanuel for spicing this up. it's going to be interesting. >> absolutely. >> we'll look for your columns in the coming weeks and months ahead. developing news, breaking news, actually, and not of a good kind. president jimmy carter, we are told, is now being take ton a hospital in cleveland. he had some kind of health issue on a flight headed to cleveland, according to jackie mayo, the public information officer for cleveland hopkins international
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airport. the former president transferred to the hospital at 11:30 a.m. after ems met the former president's plane upon arrival. president jimmy carter, in the hospital now in cleveland. we are trying to develop more information on this. get the facts, and we will gather them and come right back to you after this. th. tow and pull without getting stuck month. sweat every day to make an honest buck...month. and if you're gonna try and do this in anything other than a chevy... well, good luck...month. great deals on the complete family of chevy trucks all backed for a hundred thousand miles. it's truck month. now, during truck month, get 0% apr financing on all trucks and full-size suvs like this 2011 silverado. see your local chevrolet dealer. [ male announcer ] there is nothing more profound than hope. it is the promise that compels us to make the journey from wonder to discovery. the science of chemistry, our guide.
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following breaking news now. former president jimmy carter flying to cleveland for a book signing apparently fell ill on that flight. he has been taken off the flight. actually met there by ems people, and now has been transferred to a hospital. jackie mayo is the public information officer for cleveland hopkins international airport. telling us that the president was transferred to that hospital about 11:30 this morning. as i said, after the ems met former president carter's plane upon arrival. we do not at this time have more information other than what we are reporting to you, but, again, president carter is now being hospitalized in cleveland after falling ill on a flight. well, becoming an empowered patient, our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen learned how important that is. the title of her new book in fact. in a special report this weekend and she joins us now with the
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second of several lessons that could save lives. >> true. the lesson today is, what hospital you go to matters. there are hospitals that are good at some things and hospitals that are good at other things. so a hospital can save you or a hospital can kill you. so we have a tale of a gentleman i'm glad to say he was saved because someone helped him get to the right hospital. now, with the help of turner animation studios we bring you his story. >> reporter: in california a mountain paradise, gorgeous skiing and loads of snowmobilers. an skiing down the slopes one morning, chuck stopped in at the local snowmobile center, and while inside, all of a sudden he fell down. >> draw a line down the center of my body and everything was just connect edisconnected on t right-hand side. >> reporter: chuck had a massive stroke in the middle of nowhere. a nurse raced him to the ep of
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town to wait for a helicopter ambulance. >> i remember the rotors turning and the snow flying. and just waiting to go. >> reporter: time is of the essence and this helicopter doesn't move. why were precious minutes being wasted? the flight nurse wanted to take chuck to the nearest hospital, which was a small hospital. >> he had cardiac problem, he had a stroke problem. he needed to go to a hospital where there were specialists standing by, and these small hospitals don't offer them. >> reporter: you argued hard. >> i did. got like this in each other's face. >> reporter: she convinced them to fly to a hospital further away. the flight took an extra 15 minutes. this doctor looked at his ct scan and new he could reverse the stroke. >> we had 0 get the drug in in the next ten minutes. >> reporter: talk about under the wire. you must think back what if kathy hadn't argued with them? >> i am convinced a very, very
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high probability i would have been in a wheelchair. >> reporter: can anyone do this? if you feel a bad decision is about to be made by health care, can you put your foot down? >> change hospitals. everybody has that ability and should be aware of it. >> elizabeth, certainly helps to have a smart nurse like kathy snyder. what if you don't? how do you know if a hospital is good or not? >> if you don't have kathy you have the internet. amazing what you can learn investing a few minutes. lots of different websites to go to. i've chosen to show everybody the u.s. news & world report website. what they do is they have thousands of hospitals they've reviewed, looked at hard data. go in and say i need heart surgery. heart surgery in, put in the zip code where i live, in atlanta, georgia. i hit find hospitals and, look. it shows you what the best hospitals are better than expected chance of survival. right? that's where you want to go. it's important to go to these websites and they really can teach you quite a bit. >> all right. certainly go to the websites now
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instead of waiting for an emergency. so you know where the hospitals are in your area and what their ratings are pt right? >> obviously you don't know. chuck didn't know he was going to have a stroke. you can do, various websites that tells you the hospital with the best safety rating, the best nurse/patient ratio. check on that. take a couple minutes and you sort of know the lay of the land. look at cnn.com/the chart. all the websites you need. the links are right there. >> look forward to your special this weekend. saturday and sunday at 7:00. >> right. >> see you. thanks elizabeth. we'll be right back after this break.
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president jimmy carter has been transferred to a metro health hospital in cleveland after experiencing an unknown health issue on a flight to cleveland. the public information officer for cleveland hopkins international airport reported this. the former president transferred to the hospital approximately 1 11 111: -- 11:30 this morning. the president was heading to cleveland for a book signing according to a local news station there. again, president carter hospitalized in cleveland,
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unknown ailment but ems met him at the plane. look at top stories now -- police say a gunman opened fire inside the university of texas library before shooting and killing himself. no one else was hurt. the austin campus has been on lock down while police ensure there is not a second suspect. it looks like there is not. how about having the president in your own backyard? president obama is doing that just now spending time with a typical american family in new mexico. talking about the economy. that's this hour. to challenge ourselves on the most demanding track in the world. with us, in spirit, was every great car that we'd ever competed with. the bmw m5. and the mercedes-benz e63. for it was their amazing abilities that pushed us to refine, improve and, ultimately, develop the world's fastest production sedan. [ engine revving ] the cts-v, from cadillac. the new standard of the world.
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arrival. cnn working all of our sources on this to bring you more information. this is all we know unfortunately. president jimmy carter, hospitalized in cleveland. also just in, good news. the campus at the university of texas, scene of a shooting this morning is now given the all-clear. all-clear at the university of texas in austin after a single gunman was firing as he ran towards and into the library, and then shot and killed himself. police now giving the all-clear. we'll be right back.
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time for our political update. cnn equals politics, of course, and senior congressional correspondent dana bash has latest. >> reporter: hi, drew. something i jut posted and it has to do with the politics of jobs. senate democrats just were defeated in their attempt to put a bill on the senate floor that had to do with outsourcing. something that, one ever those instances in politics where losing is actually winning, and that is because democrats are hoping that this is an issue they can use against republicans, already trying across the country in ads, on the campaign trail, trying to say republicans support policies and trade deals that simply help send jobs overseas, republicans called this a blatant political move. a blatant political exercise. and second up on the ticker, a democratic state. blue state we are looking at to
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see whether or not it could trend republican. that is the state of connecticut, drew, that republican candidate, wrestling exec. linda mcmahon, actually just trailing the democrat by three points. with the margin of error in the latest poll up there. it is going to be very interesting to see if that democratic seat goes republican in november. and lastly, drew, i want to ask you, did you watch "dancing with the stars" last night? did you watch bristol palin at all? >> you know what, dana, i did not. >> reporter: all right. i'll let you off on that. i have to admit, i'm admitting it right here, i did watch and shep was actually pretty good. there is a question the fact her mother was there was not welcome by the audience. sarah palin was there. there was some booing but the executive producer of the program insists he does not think the booing was for the former governor of alaska.
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>> with that i'm going to check it out. who were they booing? >> reporter: we don't know. we'll investigate. >> dana bash, i'm going it look right now. thanks, dana. appreciate that. your next political update in an hour. for the latest political news go to cnnpolitics.com. time for the help desk where we get answers to your financial questions. joining me, a personal finance author and john from credit.com. our question for you comes from cindy in new jersey. she wrote in, my divorced husband and i have an 18-year-old attending a private university. after the deferred loans and grants we're left with $12,000 a year tuition bill paid monthly on an interest-free installment plan. can we both take advantage of the tax benefits? >> yeah. so, one of the cardinal rules when it comes to uncle sam, no double dips. one of the other of you will end up with the benefit. the rules are incredibly complex. a website, financialaid.org
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helping you pare through the nuances. typically the parent claiming the child as the dependent that gets all the other tax goodies along with that. >> john a question for you coming from pam in alabama who wrote in, the real estate market is down. no kidding. my mom needs to sell her house. do you recommend a reverse mortgage? >> oh, absolutely not. where are the alarms we need going off? reverse mortgage is not the same as selling your home. it's a fancy, dancy equity line taken out against the home. you've got to pay it back eventually meaning you actually owe on the home. if you're trying to sell it especially in a down market you need the flexibility of having the low price. you can play with the offers you're getting. if you have more lenders to pay pay off, more difficult to sell it. sell it, leave the reverse mortgages alone. like taking out a home equity line of credit. >> good advice. watch out. don't do that. the help desk, all about
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welcome back. following breaking news. former president jimmy carter hospitalized in cleveland. ems agents met him at the plane. he was flying to cleveland for a book signing. i want to bring in allan chernoff in new york who is trying to get more news on this. what can you tell us? >> drew, a delta flight into cleveland, and the signal was sent out that there was a passenger sick onboard. turned out that was president carter. the ems officials met the plane at the tarmac and they did treat mr. carter at the airport, and then brought him to metro health hospital in cleveland where he is right now. this all happened about an hour and a half ago. the president is 85 years old. healed be 86 on friday. that's his birthday. of course, the 39th president. he had been planning to attend a
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book signing. he's just come out with a new book "white house diaries." he's been planning to be at the joseph beth bookseller store right now, as a matter of fact. so that's all we know at the moment. just that the president apparently was feeling ill onboard the plane and that ems has brought him to metro health hospital in cleveland. >> we're seeing some pictures that are just in to us of what we believe is the president's arrival there. allan, you know, and maybe just speculating at this time, but this president still travels with some secret service detail. maybe not as large as the current president, of course, but he has people with him. do you know if those people are trained in any kind of medical field? >> reporter: well, the secret service, of course, is with all former presidents, but, no. they called in the ems. so the emergency medical technicians did treat the
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president right at the airport. we don't know exactly what they did, an brought him directly to the hospital. >> okay. well, we continue to look at this video of the president jimmy carter being brought apparently from -- we know from the airport to this hospital. we believe that is the vehicle that brought him to the hospital. we have no idea what the condition is. how he left the plane, whether he walked off, whether he had to be assisted off in any way or what the situation is, but the situation is thus -- 85-year-old former president jimmy carter on a flight to cleveland today was met by medical personnel at that flight and taken directly to a hospital in cleveland. suffering from some unknown illness. allan, thank you so much. we'll be back after this.
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extremely busy news day continues now with ali velshi in new york. ali? >> extremely busy indeed, drew. we have several pieces of breaking news. i'll pick up with the one you were just covering. former president jimmy carter rushed to a cleveland hospital after getting signing flight to cleveland. cnn senior correspondent allan chernoff with me now following the news. he's got the latest. >> reporter: right. the president was supposed to actually be in cleveland for a book signing. he was supposed to be at joseph beth bookseller right now, promoting his new book out, but apparently he was feeling ill on the plane. the emergency medical technicians in cleveland airport got the call from delta, apparently a person sick onboard. that turned out to be th